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		<title>By: Just Do It! &#171; Persistent Illusion</title>
		<link>http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/when-helping-means-letting-go/#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Do It! &#171; Persistent Illusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marlajayne</title>
		<link>http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/when-helping-means-letting-go/#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator>marlajayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. As I was clicking "submit," I had another thought. Has anyone ever called you an enabler? It's not necessarily a bad thing. I've been called that myself! In your situation, what makes it harder to do the tough love thing is that you and your brother have traveled such rocky roads together. You know his history and heartache and wonder if he's up to being a grown up without you.

&lt;strong&gt;persistentillusion says:&lt;/strong&gt;

No one has ever called me an enabler!  It is only with him that I have such an achilles heel.  Feeling guilty doesn't make anyone feel better, so I am just sucking it up.  Yippee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. As I was clicking &#8220;submit,&#8221; I had another thought. Has anyone ever called you an enabler? It&#8217;s not necessarily a bad thing. I&#8217;ve been called that myself! In your situation, what makes it harder to do the tough love thing is that you and your brother have traveled such rocky roads together. You know his history and heartache and wonder if he&#8217;s up to being a grown up without you.</p>
<p><strong>persistentillusion says:</strong></p>
<p>No one has ever called me an enabler!  It is only with him that I have such an achilles heel.  Feeling guilty doesn&#8217;t make anyone feel better, so I am just sucking it up.  Yippee.</p>
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		<title>By: marlajayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>marlajayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's nothing I can add to these already insightful responses. It's going to be tough for both of you, but what are your options? If you continue to pay the loan, when does it end? After that, what's next? I have a great friend who says that her biggest parenting "policy" was to always teach her children to act in such a way that they could live responsibly when she and her husband were dead.

&lt;strong&gt;persistentillusion says:&lt;/strong&gt;

I think part of the reason why this whole process is so weird is that my brother and I don't have traditionally defined roles.  Even though I was a sibling, more often than not I was his parent too.  When you're a parent, you have specific goals in the process of someone's maturing, however, he is maturing at the same time I am.  I also know how far he really has come, which is why I didn't think it was unreasonable to think that he would go further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing I can add to these already insightful responses. It&#8217;s going to be tough for both of you, but what are your options? If you continue to pay the loan, when does it end? After that, what&#8217;s next? I have a great friend who says that her biggest parenting &#8220;policy&#8221; was to always teach her children to act in such a way that they could live responsibly when she and her husband were dead.</p>
<p><strong>persistentillusion says:</strong></p>
<p>I think part of the reason why this whole process is so weird is that my brother and I don&#8217;t have traditionally defined roles.  Even though I was a sibling, more often than not I was his parent too.  When you&#8217;re a parent, you have specific goals in the process of someone&#8217;s maturing, however, he is maturing at the same time I am.  I also know how far he really has come, which is why I didn&#8217;t think it was unreasonable to think that he would go further.</p>
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		<title>By: cordieb</title>
		<link>http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/when-helping-means-letting-go/#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>cordieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said, "I guess what I wanted to hear was that he was looking for a second job, or was going to tighten his belt, or get better at a budget."

 ~  People don't usually change overnight.  Certainly you wanted to hear that, but my guess is that you knew it wasn't so.  Problem is, you co-signed.  Can you really just remove yourself from the loan?  Will the creditor allow that?  Is his other credit ok?  If not, I can't see the creditor letting you off the hook.  I can see that you really love your brother and you've always protected him.  If he says everything will work out, then it will.  It might not work out quite like you want it to, but it will work out--it always does.  I'm a giver, so I know what you mean; although I get frustrated at times, it's not in my nature not to give, so I wouldn't be happy saying no all the time.  But sometimes we have to say no in order for the ones we love to mature and become responsible.  But if their true nature isn't so, it rarely ever happens.  So we must learn to accept them as they are--although we don't put our names on the line ever again.  Thanks for sharing.

&lt;strong&gt;persistentillusion says:&lt;/strong&gt;

After 2 years of on-time payments, you can take yourself off as co-signer, so that is no problem.  And it is interesting, because I wouldn't co-sign for anyone else, ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said, &#8220;I guess what I wanted to hear was that he was looking for a second job, or was going to tighten his belt, or get better at a budget.&#8221;</p>
<p> ~  People don&#8217;t usually change overnight.  Certainly you wanted to hear that, but my guess is that you knew it wasn&#8217;t so.  Problem is, you co-signed.  Can you really just remove yourself from the loan?  Will the creditor allow that?  Is his other credit ok?  If not, I can&#8217;t see the creditor letting you off the hook.  I can see that you really love your brother and you&#8217;ve always protected him.  If he says everything will work out, then it will.  It might not work out quite like you want it to, but it will work out&#8211;it always does.  I&#8217;m a giver, so I know what you mean; although I get frustrated at times, it&#8217;s not in my nature not to give, so I wouldn&#8217;t be happy saying no all the time.  But sometimes we have to say no in order for the ones we love to mature and become responsible.  But if their true nature isn&#8217;t so, it rarely ever happens.  So we must learn to accept them as they are&#8211;although we don&#8217;t put our names on the line ever again.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p><strong>persistentillusion says:</strong></p>
<p>After 2 years of on-time payments, you can take yourself off as co-signer, so that is no problem.  And it is interesting, because I wouldn&#8217;t co-sign for anyone else, ever.</p>
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		<title>By: OrSoSheSaid</title>
		<link>http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/when-helping-means-letting-go/#comment-981</link>
		<dc:creator>OrSoSheSaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother and my youngest brother have this very same relationship. She sees him not where she knows he can or should be in his life and she is worried he will not “get there” so she pays for his credit cards, his car insurance, his car payments because “he doesn’t have enough money to take care of himself” and he lives pay check to pay check. Except in their case she’s too afraid he will “fail” to let him even try to be autonomous, so instead she makes payments while continually being disappointed that he is not attempting to take them over. 

Making that decision to let your brother take over the payments cannot have been easy because you love your brother and you want to see him do well, but it was the right thing to do.  Here’s to you for making an uncomfortable decision in the name of positive change!

I find your posts thought provoking and to make quite a bit of damned good logical sense. Keep them coming!

&lt;strong&gt;persistentillusion says:&lt;/strong&gt;

It's nice that I can tell I am doing the right thing because I &lt;em&gt;really really &lt;/em&gt;don't want to do it.  When I know I am that resistant to something, usually it's something I know I need to do.

And thank you for your kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother and my youngest brother have this very same relationship. She sees him not where she knows he can or should be in his life and she is worried he will not “get there” so she pays for his credit cards, his car insurance, his car payments because “he doesn’t have enough money to take care of himself” and he lives pay check to pay check. Except in their case she’s too afraid he will “fail” to let him even try to be autonomous, so instead she makes payments while continually being disappointed that he is not attempting to take them over. </p>
<p>Making that decision to let your brother take over the payments cannot have been easy because you love your brother and you want to see him do well, but it was the right thing to do.  Here’s to you for making an uncomfortable decision in the name of positive change!</p>
<p>I find your posts thought provoking and to make quite a bit of damned good logical sense. Keep them coming!</p>
<p><strong>persistentillusion says:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice that I can tell I am doing the right thing because I <em>really really </em>don&#8217;t want to do it.  When I know I am that resistant to something, usually it&#8217;s something I know I need to do.</p>
<p>And thank you for your kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: Guerrillero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guerrillero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah! If you do not push your brother off the boat, he'll never learn how to swim!

&lt;strong&gt;persistentillusion says:&lt;/strong&gt;

Yeah, I know.  Here I go, push!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah! If you do not push your brother off the boat, he&#8217;ll never learn how to swim!</p>
<p><strong>persistentillusion says:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, I know.  Here I go, push!</p>
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		<title>By: thedailydish</title>
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		<dc:creator>thedailydish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and my husband could write a book on this, it's unbelievable.  

We have gotten to the point where we have little to no relationship w/ his family.  The last time his brother asked if he could stay over my husband said Um, NO.  And told me it looked like he'd knocked him upside the head with a 2x4, he was so shocked.  But you have to draw the line somewhere.  It sounds like you have done WAAAAAAAAAAY more than we ever would - or even possibly could.  Time to fly little brothers.  You are adults - time to make your own way through life.

&lt;strong&gt;persistentillusion says:&lt;/strong&gt;

Rightly or wrongly, I have always believed that if there is a problem all you have to do is discuss it, make an action plan, and then execute the plan.  It seems I am the only person who can do this, so it is pretty frustrating when I see someone else fail miserably at it.

Watching someone else fail is HORRIBLE.  I hate this feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and my husband could write a book on this, it&#8217;s unbelievable.  </p>
<p>We have gotten to the point where we have little to no relationship w/ his family.  The last time his brother asked if he could stay over my husband said Um, NO.  And told me it looked like he&#8217;d knocked him upside the head with a 2&#215;4, he was so shocked.  But you have to draw the line somewhere.  It sounds like you have done WAAAAAAAAAAY more than we ever would - or even possibly could.  Time to fly little brothers.  You are adults - time to make your own way through life.</p>
<p><strong>persistentillusion says:</strong></p>
<p>Rightly or wrongly, I have always believed that if there is a problem all you have to do is discuss it, make an action plan, and then execute the plan.  It seems I am the only person who can do this, so it is pretty frustrating when I see someone else fail miserably at it.</p>
<p>Watching someone else fail is HORRIBLE.  I hate this feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: connie</title>
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		<dc:creator>connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 40 year old brother who finally just had to be kicked out of the nest!  He expected my mother, me, my husband, whoever to take care of his needs and wants.  Sometimes you just have to do the "Tough Love" thing.  Brother moved out and is somewhat more responsible.  Co-signing is always tricky because your name is on the line too.  Good luck with the guilt thing.

&lt;strong&gt;persistentillusion says:&lt;/strong&gt;

He isn't a leech and he doesn't expect me to do anything, which just makes me feel worse about it.  I just have to keep reminding myself that he has had a two-year opportunity to get it together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 40 year old brother who finally just had to be kicked out of the nest!  He expected my mother, me, my husband, whoever to take care of his needs and wants.  Sometimes you just have to do the &#8220;Tough Love&#8221; thing.  Brother moved out and is somewhat more responsible.  Co-signing is always tricky because your name is on the line too.  Good luck with the guilt thing.</p>
<p><strong>persistentillusion says:</strong></p>
<p>He isn&#8217;t a leech and he doesn&#8217;t expect me to do anything, which just makes me feel worse about it.  I just have to keep reminding myself that he has had a two-year opportunity to get it together.</p>
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